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| SSJ2 Vegeta(Pre Majin) and SSJ2 Goku(CG) vs SPC | |
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| * Yu Narukami | Mar 11 2013, 10:12 PM Post #16 |
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Izanagi!
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I think Cell will win it. He could take out Goku with ease and Vegeta wouldn't be too much trouble, imo. Brofist, you need to make a battle synopsis of Me vs. You. You know you want to. |
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| + Kyouks | Mar 11 2013, 10:14 PM Post #17 |
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Vegeta can't not be trouble when he's expecting to face Gohan at the Budokai, yet doesn't expect Gohan to get an entire league or more weaker. |
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| + miguelnuva | Mar 11 2013, 10:15 PM Post #18 |
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Piccolo says "Vegeta is stronger than a Super Saiyan like when Gohan fought Cell, but Buu killed Gohan." |
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Mar 11 2013, 10:17 PM Post #19 |
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Yes, Piccolo also mentioned Adult gohan. he practically compared Adult gohan to Kid gohan by saying that |
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| EMIYA | Mar 11 2013, 10:20 PM Post #20 |
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Doesn't really matter, because we already know that Piccolo had already compared Vegeta to Kid Gohan was even unsure if Vegeta stronger or not. More than enough to note that Kid Gohan and Post-Majin Vegeta are relatively close to each other. Then there's also the fact that even Vegeta wonders what the gap between them is even after knowing Gohan has neglected his training. He wouldn't bother asking that if he knew he was already stronger than Kid Gohan at the time. Vegeta knew that there was a large gap between them and until he realizes how weak Gohan had gotten, he still questioned that gap.
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| * Yu Narukami | Mar 11 2013, 10:22 PM Post #21 |
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Izanagi!
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Yes, but let's look at it this way. Say that SPC is about 15% weaker than SSJ2 Goku (Boo Saga) And the gap between Goku and Vegeta stayed the same. At maximum, there'd be a 25% gap between Goku and Vegeta Goku : 100 SPC : 85 Vegeta : 75 You saw what Cell did with a minuscule advantage against Goku. Unless he can unleash some amplified ki attack and completely destroy Cell, he's got no chance |
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| EMIYA | Mar 11 2013, 10:28 PM Post #22 |
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I think the main thing for me is that, the only way you can really have Vegeta and Cell close (Besides having a significant difference between Gohan and Cell which of course is never suggested) is by having nothing more than a 1.2x difference between Pre-Majin Vegeta and Goku. Yet there really is an implication that the difference between them goes much ahead of 1.2x And so with Cell rivaling Gohan who by himself isn't too far behind SSj2 Goku and frankly, by my accounts Vegeta truly shouldn't be a threat until Post-Majin. Really you'd have to as I said both lower Vegeta's difference from Goku to 1.2x and by virtue increase the difference between Cell and Gohan and even then, you'd only get the two rivaling each other where Cell's superior skills,techniques, regeneration, etc will pull off the win for him. |
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| + Kyouks | Mar 11 2013, 10:28 PM Post #23 |
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Cell's advantage was not minuscule; he looked like he did what he did with ease because he was holding back effort, not chi. I find something like this to be viable... SSJ2 BS Goku - 100 SSJ2 Kid Gohan - 81 SPC - 77 SSJ2 PM Vegeta - 75 |
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| EMIYA | Mar 11 2013, 10:32 PM Post #24 |
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You may want to raise everyone but Goku up a bit. You already have a 1.2x difference between Gohan and Goku which wouldn't be the case when we know the two aren't that far apart from each other. Personally I'd say a 1.10x difference works well. It's high enough that we know Goku has the edge but weak enough that we know he isn't vastly ahead of him. At most I wouldn't put anymore than a 1.15x dfiference between them and I'll just let you rate Vegeta and Cell as you see fit from that. Edited by EMIYA, Mar 11 2013, 10:33 PM.
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| + Kyouks | Mar 11 2013, 10:35 PM Post #25 |
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Don't think the line has to mean that the 2 are semi-rivals. Piccolo when arriving on Namek doesn't bother to differentiate between Krillin/Gohan/powered down Vegeta despite Vegeta having a clear advantage over them both, yet he sets Freeza apart from them. In this case, Piccolo's even weaker in comparison to the fighters he's sensing so a 1.2x gap isn't implausible. |
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| EMIYA | Mar 11 2013, 10:37 PM Post #26 |
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It would sort of go against the entire point though in knowing that the difference between Gohan and Vegeta obsolete if you had a 1.2x difference though since that is the basic of what I believe we use to justify somebody having a significant gap over another. And if there's not a significant gap between them, we would say that it has to be less than 1.2x. |
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| + Kyouks | Mar 11 2013, 10:42 PM Post #27 |
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I wouldn't really have a problem with the 1.1~1.15x gaps if not for this, hence why I'm kinda forced to take that route. |
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| EMIYA | Mar 11 2013, 10:59 PM Post #28 |
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Wouldn't that just mean that Gohan got significantly weaker than even Vegeta had expected? You could still work in that 1.10-1.15x differences for Gohan and Goku and still have a significant disadvantage for Adult Gohan from Kid Gohan. It would only depend on lowering Adult Gohan from the others a bit. |
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| + Kyouks | Mar 11 2013, 11:03 PM Post #29 |
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We do know he didn't expect him to get "far, far" weaker, and when he first hints at the idea he just says Gohan's body was getting rusty. I guess 1.15x or so could work, but PM Vegeta shouldn't be any more than, say, one level below Kid Gohan, whatever that is in your books. |
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